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codeblue603 · 02-26-2009, 11:18 AM

I rec this e mail have not hear about it but though you all should know, be safe out on the streets.

paul

Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide

Recently a new way to commit suicide has been discovered by
mixing two chemicals that can be bought over the counter at local
stores. They are Bonide - a sulfur spray used as an insecticide for
fruit trees and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Once mixed, the chemicals
produce heat and a flammable, noxious gas that causes the subject to
pass out and the heart stop within minutes. The process appears to be
quick and painless. Two recent cases, one in Pasadena, California and
the other at Lake Allatoona in Bartow County, Georgia, involved young
men in their early 20's. Both were found locked inside their cars with
the chemicals. Each left a note on the car warning anyone around of
danger. The car at Lake Allatoona had been taped to prevent gas from
escaping.

Does this sound like a routine call that most of us would
respond to and take similar action?

It's Sunday morning 0730 hours, you respond to a person down in
auto. You locate a car in the empty parking lot of a business. The
engine and med unit pull up near the vehicle and personnel see a person
inside that appears to be asleep or unconscious. Wearing safety glasses
and medical gloves, you walk up to the car and knock on the window.

The patient does not respond to your knock on the window, and
the doors are locked.
What action will you take? Will you hurry to make patient
access? Will you use a lockout tool, center punch, or halligan to make
entry?

You make access, a rush of warm air comes out of the vehicle and
you smell a sharp odor. You have just become a victim and have been
exposed to a noxious possibly fatal gas.

What could you have done differently? You are the first-in unit.
How should you respond to this type of incident?

1. Do not become complacent! Your response should be similar
on every call.
2. Be well trained, know your job, do your job.
3. Start your size-up from the time a call is dispatched.
4. Establish a strong command and control the scene.
5. Don't go rushing in.
6. Survey the scene.
7. Does the scene look routine?
8. Do you see anything unusual? (Example: A note on the
window, containers
inside the vehicle and taped windows or vents).
9. Is the scene safe?
10. Wear the appropriate PPE.
11. Establish a Hot Zone.
12. Develop a plan of action and coordinate activities.
13. Call for additional resources. (Hazmat Team, PD, etc.)
14. Did PD arrive prior to FD and become contaminated requiring
emergency decon and first aid?

The call listed in the first paragraph of this document started
as a routine person down call. This type of incident can easily expand
into a full blown Hazardous Materials Incident with a
multijurisdictional response. Be aware of this new way to commit
suicide and don't become a victim. Use common sense and stay safe.

To review a newspaper article and pictures regarding the suicide
in Pasadena, California, visit:

http://beaconmedianews.com/2008/08/2...its-suicide-wi
th-chemicals-inside-2003-vw-bug/

To review a newspaper article and pictures regarding the suicide
in Barton, Georgia visit:

http://www.daily-tribune.com/index.c...674BB0CD-19B9-
E2E2-676EC6D537211BFE

medicnparadise · 02-26-2009, 01:20 PM

Excellent information. Thank you for posting it.

FF/EMTP1317 · 02-26-2009, 01:35 PM

Wow. Thanks for posting.

screaming pizza · 02-26-2009, 02:38 PM

Well, to be honest, Georgia IS rather suicide-inducing...

NomexMedic · 02-26-2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screaming pizza

Well, to be honest, Georgia IS rather suicide-inducing...

It's better than living north of the Mason Dixon...This place is MISERY!

**medic pathetic** · 02-26-2009, 06:13 PM

Thank you for the article. I'll pass this on to some people.

firems4289 · 02-26-2009, 07:27 PM

http://cms.firehouse.com/web/online/News/DC-Suicide-Becomes-HazMat-Incident/46$58874

I saw this on firehouse, I wonder if its the same thing?

SARPUP · 02-26-2009, 11:53 PM

Hey thanks for that!! I'll print it and post it in the copshop and firehouse!!

Medic101Charlie · 02-26-2009, 11:58 PM

Thanks for the info.

Sending to our management people right now...as well as local FD and PD.

traffic_disaster · 02-27-2009, 07:46 AM

Thanks for the information, I have sent it to those I know and love who may come across this in their areas.

God I hope Canadians don't find out which chemicals to mix
Hell I pray that none of you guys ever get called to one of these scenes..........
Be safe!

see you sometime after the surgery.

02-26-2009, 11:18 AM	#1
codeblue603 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 781 My Mood: Rep Power: 60	Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide I rec this e mail have not hear about it but though you all should know, be safe out on the streets. paul Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide Recently a new way to commit suicide has been discovered by mixing two chemicals that can be bought over the counter at local stores. They are Bonide - a sulfur spray used as an insecticide for fruit trees and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Once mixed, the chemicals produce heat and a flammable, noxious gas that causes the subject to pass out and the heart stop within minutes. The process appears to be quick and painless. Two recent cases, one in Pasadena, California and the other at Lake Allatoona in Bartow County, Georgia, involved young men in their early 20's. Both were found locked inside their cars with the chemicals. Each left a note on the car warning anyone around of danger. The car at Lake Allatoona had been taped to prevent gas from escaping. Does this sound like a routine call that most of us would respond to and take similar action? It's Sunday morning 0730 hours, you respond to a person down in auto. You locate a car in the empty parking lot of a business. The engine and med unit pull up near the vehicle and personnel see a person inside that appears to be asleep or unconscious. Wearing safety glasses and medical gloves, you walk up to the car and knock on the window. The patient does not respond to your knock on the window, and the doors are locked. What action will you take? Will you hurry to make patient access? Will you use a lockout tool, center punch, or halligan to make entry? You make access, a rush of warm air comes out of the vehicle and you smell a sharp odor. You have just become a victim and have been exposed to a noxious possibly fatal gas. What could you have done differently? You are the first-in unit. How should you respond to this type of incident? 1. Do not become complacent! Your response should be similar on every call. 2. Be well trained, know your job, do your job. 3. Start your size-up from the time a call is dispatched. 4. Establish a strong command and control the scene. 5. Don't go rushing in. 6. Survey the scene. 7. Does the scene look routine? 8. Do you see anything unusual? (Example: A note on the window, containers inside the vehicle and taped windows or vents). 9. Is the scene safe? 10. Wear the appropriate PPE. 11. Establish a Hot Zone. 12. Develop a plan of action and coordinate activities. 13. Call for additional resources. (Hazmat Team, PD, etc.) 14. Did PD arrive prior to FD and become contaminated requiring emergency decon and first aid? The call listed in the first paragraph of this document started as a routine person down call. This type of incident can easily expand into a full blown Hazardous Materials Incident with a multijurisdictional response. Be aware of this new way to commit suicide and don't become a victim. Use common sense and stay safe. To review a newspaper article and pictures regarding the suicide in Pasadena, California, visit: http://beaconmedianews.com/2008/08/2...its-suicide-wi th-chemicals-inside-2003-vw-bug/ To review a newspaper article and pictures regarding the suicide in Barton, Georgia visit: http://www.daily-tribune.com/index.c...674BB0CD-19B9- E2E2-676EC6D537211BFE __________________ old man medic, if it's leaking plug it, not breathing bag it, heart to fast slow it down, to slow speed it up, you can always shock it if yoou see a saw in the ekg, if not sweet give d50, to sweet give ns, when it all going bad, turn lights on & drive like nascar to ed.

02-26-2009, 01:20 PM	#2
medicnparadise You put WHAT WHERE?! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 189 Rep Power: 31	Re: Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide Excellent information. Thank you for posting it. __________________ No one ever calls 911 for doing something smart!

02-26-2009, 01:35 PM	#3
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02-26-2009, 02:38 PM	#4
screaming pizza Darwin Was A Optomist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Land O' Pain Control Rx Posts: 1,858 Blog Entries: 1 My Mood: Rep Power: 83	Re: Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide Well, to be honest, Georgia IS rather suicide-inducing... __________________ TERRIBILIS EST LOCU ISTE The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money

02-26-2009, 06:13 PM	#6
medic pathetic It's just me. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the cabinet behind the normal saline. Posts: 2,973 Blog Entries: 3 My Mood: Rep Power: 113	Re: Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide Thank you for the article. I'll pass this on to some people. __________________ "I'm shattered, but it really doesn't matter. My rescue is gonna be here soon."- Coldplay "I love the body. Flesh is so honest, and organs do not lie." ~Candea Core- Starke “It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.” -Philip K. Dick FNG: Required dress code Click Here (safe for work.)

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firems4289 NREMT-P Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 136 My Mood: Rep Power: 28	Re: Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide http://cms.firehouse.com/web/online/News/DC-Suicide-Becomes-HazMat-Incident/46$58874 I saw this on firehouse, I wonder if its the same thing?

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SARPUP Who called the cops? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington Posts: 1,581 Rep Power: 78	Re: Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide Hey thanks for that!! I'll print it and post it in the copshop and firehouse!! __________________ A Jack Booted Thug!!!

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Medic101Charlie Paranoid Bi-Polar Medic Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 1,462 My Mood: Rep Power: 66	Re: Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide Thanks for the info. Sending to our management people right now...as well as local FD and PD.

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traffic_disaster Banned User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Alberta (4 hours north of the Montana border) Posts: 1,581 Rep Power: 0	Re: Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide Thanks for the information, I have sent it to those I know and love who may come across this in their areas. God I hope Canadians don't find out which chemicals to mix Hell I pray that none of you guys ever get called to one of these scenes.......... Be safe! see you sometime after the surgery.