Arkansas Cop Tasers 10-Year-Old Girl

[randal]

Now here is a manly man for you.

Major fucktoid here.

Big, bad ass cop that cannot subdue a 10 year old by any other method other than taser. Cop should have tasered the mom for calling him in the first place.

When I was a deputy, I cannot imagine the amount of shit I would have gone through if I had used any thing like a taser or mace on a 10 year old.

Randal

Arkansas Cop Tasers 10-Year-Old Girl

The mayor of a small Arkansas town wants an independent investigation on whether it was appropriate for a police officer to use a Taser on an unruly 10-year-old girl who kicked him in the groin.

Mayor Vernon McDaniel says he wants Arkansas State Police or the FBI to look into whether the use of the Taser was proper. The girl, who hasn't been identified, wasn't hurt and is now at the Western Arkansas Youth Shelter in Cecil.

Ozark police were called to the home Nov. 11 after the girl's mother couldn't get the child to take a shower.

Ozark Police Chief Jim Noggle, who has defended the officer's action, didn't immediately return a call for comment Wednesday morning.

[fdnyemt5330]

Yeah, I see it as a problem when an (at least) average size man can't subdue a 10 year old girl without a taser.

It's also a major problem when the fucktard of a parent calls 911 because the kid won't bathe. In my house, if I refused to take a shower, my refusal would be met with at least one slap upside the head, and then the sound of my attitude doing a 180 degree shift. The police would not enter into the equation.

[kojoff]

Just wow!

[anthonyt]

There are more variables that need to be considered. How big was this 10 year old... I've seen some encroaching on 2 bills... She kicked him in the boys... Tazer though seemingly violent was probably the least risk of injury to her...

I don't know.. I think we should have more facts before ganging up on the guy, especially if his Chief is defending him.

Mom should be referred to Protective services... Mom is the Dumbass, here.

[randal]

There are more variables that need to be considered. How big was this 10 year old... I've seen some encroaching on 2 bills... She kicked him in the boys... Tazer though seemingly violent was probably the least risk of injury to her...

I don't know.. I think we should have more facts before ganging up on the guy, especially if his Chief is defending him.

Mom should be referred to Protective services... Mom is the Dumbass, here.

Oh please, give me a break. The kid weighed 65 pounds. The cop should have WALKED AWAY and left the mom to deal with the problem. The mom, cop and chief are all dumbasses. There was no excuse for this.

What next? Nightclub because Johnny won't eat his veggies?

[FF/EMTP1317]

It's also a major problem when the fucktard of a parent calls 911 because the kid won't bathe. In my house, if I refused to take a shower, my refusal would be met with at least one slap upside the head, and then the sound of my attitude doing a 180 degree shift. The police would not enter into the equation.

Yeah my a$$ would've been smacked at least once and then I'd have taken the shower with the promise of another smack if I continued to refuse. Maybe parents should try parenting for a change...

[kojoff]

Yeah my a$$ would've been smacked at least once and then I'd have taken the shower with the promise of another smack if I continued to refuse. Maybe parents should try parenting for a change...

Parenting has gone the way of the Dodo....

[medicmade]

ya no shit, he should have tazed the mom. A good at home ass kicking can go a long way! lol

[Medic101Charlie]

We're all making assumptions that "unruly" meant that she wasn't doing anything dangerous to herself or to others.

And we're also making assumptions to the fact that she isn't early stage bipolar, schizo-affective, or under the influence of drugs or ETOH.

And if he did not taze her but went hand to hand and broke her arm or leg, or otherwise injured her, we would all be in a tizzy for police brutality.

And we're all assuming that it was a 4-9 100 lb 14 year old and not a 5-6 175 lb 14 year old (which I have seen). And yes I'm sure he could have put her town with the tazer but would it have been safer for him or her?

Those of you with law enforcement experience know that rule number 1 is: we all go home alive and in one piece.

If it's a small rural town and backup was 20-30 minutes away, then what would you want him to do? Go 1 on 1 with a drugged out bipolar chick for 1/2 an hour waiting on backup?

Fisticuffs and DT is NOT as easy as some would suspect. It's not a UFC fight, especially with legal limitations on moves and holds.

I'll refrain from passing judgment until I get more information on the incident.

Jim

[fdnyemt5330]

Yeah my a$$ would've been smacked at least once and then I'd have taken the shower with the promise of another smack if I continued to refuse. Maybe parents should try parenting for a change...

Cha ching!

[fdnyemt5330]

We're all making assumptions that "unruly" meant that she wasn't doing anything dangerous to herself or to others.

And we're also making assumptions to the fact that she isn't early stage bipolar, schizo-affective, or under the influence of drugs or ETOH.

And if he did not taze her but went hand to hand and broke her arm or leg, or otherwise injured her, we would all be in a tizzy for police brutality.

And we're all assuming that it was a 4-9 100 lb 14 year old and not a 5-6 175 lb 14 year old (which I have seen). And yes I'm sure he could have put her town with the tazer but would it have been safer for him or her?

Those of you with law enforcement experience know that rule number 1 is: we all go home alive and in one piece.

If it's a small rural town and backup was 20-30 minutes away, then what would you want him to do? Go 1 on 1 with a drugged out bipolar chick for 1/2 an hour waiting on backup?

Fisticuffs and DT is NOT as easy as some would suspect. It's not a UFC fight, especially with legal limitations on moves and holds.

I'll refrain from passing judgment until I get more information on the incident.

Jim

It is not unusual for us to get a call for an EDP, and have it turn out to be an obstreperous child. Basically mom called 911 because "he don't be listenin' " and I have had the he/she won't take a bath scenario more than once. people more and more and more seem to think that 911 is here to solve all their problems. People should be told " hey, it's your kid, you discipline him". The police are not here to do the things that our parents solved themselves.

[Medic101Charlie]

It is not unusual for us to get a call for an EDP, and have it turn out to be an obstreperous child. Basically mom called 911 because "he don't be listenin' " and I have had the he/she won't take a bath scenario more than once. people more and more and more seem to think that 911 is here to solve all their problems. People should be told " hey, it's your kid, you discipline him". The police are not here to do the things that our parents solved themselves.

I don't disagree but that's an assumption that you are making.

I'm just saying I will refrain from passing judgment until I get more info on the case.

[randal]

A bit more information. I also read in another article that the girl weighed 65 lbs.

I stand by what I said earlier. The cop should have walked away. The role of a peace officer is not to use a taser on a child because the mother says it is okay or because the child will not obey.



Arkansas Police Use Taser on 10-Year-Old Girl
Wednesday, November 18, 2009



ADVERTISEMENTOZARK, Ark. —

A police officer in a small Arkansas town used a stun gun on an unruly 10-year-old girl after he said her mother gave him permission to do so. Now the town's mayor is calling for an investigation into whether the Taser use was appropriate.

According to a report by Officer Dustin Bradshaw, obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, police were called to the Ozark home Nov. 11 because of a domestic disturbance. When he arrived, the girl was curled up on the floor, screaming, the report said.

Bradshaw's report said the girl screamed, kicked and resisted any time her mother tried to get her in the shower before bed.

"Her mother told me to tase her if I needed to," Bradshaw wrote.

The child was "violently kicking and verbally combative" when Bradshaw tried to take her into custody, and she kicked him in the groin. So he delivered "a very brief drive stun to her back," the report said.

The names of the girl and her mother were redacted in the report.

Ozark Mayor Vernon McDaniel said Wednesday that the girl wasn't injured and is now at the Western Arkansas Youth Shelter in Cecil.

But McDaniel said he wants Arkansas State Police — and if they decline, the FBI — to investigate the incident. The state police declined his request Tuesday.

"People here feel like that he made a mistake in using a Taser, and maybe he did, but we will not know until we get an impartial investigation," McDaniel said.

Police Chief Jim Noggle said Tasers are a safe way to subdue someone who's a danger to themself or others. No disciplinary action was taken against Bradshaw, he said.

"We didn't use the Taser to punish the child — just to bring the child under control so she wouldn't hurt herself or somebody else," Noggle said.

If the officer tried to forcefully put the girl in handcuffs, he could have accidentally broken her arm or leg, Noggle said.

He said a touch of the stun gun — "less than a second" — stopped the girl from being unruly, and she was handcuffed, he said.

"She got up immediately and they put her in the patrol car," McDaniel said.

Noggle said the girl will face disorderly conduct charges as a juvenile in the incident.

The girl's father, Anthony Medlock, told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that his daughter has emotional problems, but that she didn't have a weapon and shouldn't have been Tasered.

"My daughter does not deserve to be tased and be treated like an animal," said Medlock, who is divorced from the girl's mother and does not have custody.

Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for Taser, said it's up to individual law enforcement agencies to decide when Taser use is appropriate.

In some cases, a Taser "presents the safer response to resistance compared with the alternatives such as fists, kicks, baton strikes, bean bag guns, chemical agents, or canine response," Tuttle said in a statement.

The police chief, who has been Tasered twice himself during training sessions, said his department has never had to Taser a child or elderly person before, but that in some instances, that could be necessary to ensure safety.

"We don't want to do things like this," Noggle said. "This is something we have to do. We're required to maintain order and keep the peace."

[medic pathetic]

Much to my own surprise, i'm not totally against his actions. I have an 11 yo in my house that is about 5'5" and right at 200lbs. And she isn't exactly fat either. I'll post a pic in my gallery later on for those who want to see her. She's actually quite pretty and sweet..

Unless she's not. Then she will fight like a grown woman. She has anger issues, and when she gets into it with her mother, it is on like donkey kong. And she is 11- doesn't have the sense to stop. The good thing is if you can talk to her before she totally loses her mind then you can talk her down. Otherwise.. yeah it's a different story. So looking at how she is with her mom, i can totally see her mom(my sister in law) calling 911 because her daughter is 'out of control', and when the police get there they see some enraged woman sized child throwing fists and breaking stuff. If i got the call that she got tazed by law enforcement because she was totally out of control, i would not be totally surprised.

Sad but true. Good parenting would have done wonders for her... still, it's not my child and her mother listens to no one. So that is what they have to deal with.

[scribble]

We're all making assumptions that "unruly" meant that she wasn't doing anything dangerous to herself or to others.

And we're also making assumptions to the fact that she isn't early stage bipolar, schizo-affective, or under the influence of drugs or ETOH.

And if he did not taze her but went hand to hand and broke her arm or leg, or otherwise injured her, we would all be in a tizzy for police brutality.

And we're all assuming that it was a 4-9 100 lb 14 year old and not a 5-6 175 lb 14 year old (which I have seen). And yes I'm sure he could have put her town with the tazer but would it have been safer for him or her?

Those of you with law enforcement experience know that rule number 1 is: we all go home alive and in one piece.

If it's a small rural town and backup was 20-30 minutes away, then what would you want him to do? Go 1 on 1 with a drugged out bipolar chick for 1/2 an hour waiting on backup?

Fisticuffs and DT is NOT as easy as some would suspect. It's not a UFC fight, especially with legal limitations on moves and holds.

I'll refrain from passing judgment until I get more information on the incident.

Jim

Not 14, 10. T-E-N ten...although we only have a TINY bit of information here, I agree that it is possible that she may have some form of mental illness (Deteriorating ADLs? Being housed in some kind of facility?) but I still think an adult male, and a LEO at that, should be able to subdue a pre-teen manually without incurring major injury.

[medic pathetic]

Maybe it was a minicop?

[randal]

Maybe it was a minicop?

Mentally if not physically

[medic pathetic]

Heh....

[CornholioMedic]

I've said it a million times...bring back the paddle in school and at home. A good old fashioned ass whooping goes a long ways.

[SpotsyMedic]

I've said it a million times...bring back the paddle in school and at home. A good old fashioned ass whooping goes a long ways.

No shit. The kind with the little holes drilled in it... only got that once in my Elementary School, but that was enough. YOUCH!!!!

[cwl3gemt]

Maybe it was a minicop?

if it was a minicop then it would have been a fair fight because they would have been on the same level?

[anthonyt]

Again... If the chief is defending him, and he's not being judged anywhere but by public opinion, then it is what it is....

That being said...

Mom should be charged for filing a false report, negligence, and child neglect. The kid should be charged with battery. I dont give a shit if she were 65 pounds or 650. She'll think twice before she kicks THAT guy again.

There could have been any one or 10 other factors that the media (usually liberal) left out because it would have removed the sensationalism from the piece. I don't care if he tazered the kid or not.

[randal]

Mom should be charged for filing a false report

If the report was false, how is the cop justified in tasering the kid?

False report implies no crime was being committed and the mom calling for the police was done under false pretenses.

[medic pathetic]

If the report was false, how is the cop justified in tasering the kid?

False report implies no crime was being committed and the mom calling for the police was done under false pretenses.

Good point.

[randal]

I don't care if he tazered the kid or not.

And I find that response to be very disturbing.

My wife and I have 6 kids, 4 of which are considered "special needs" kids and they do have some behavior problems before. My memory is a bit short but I have no doubt that at one time or the other, I have been kicked or hit by them when they lost control but I would NEVER think about tasering my kids or anybodies elses' kids.

So what next? Tear gas through the window when a child locks themself in their room and refuses to come out?

Yes, I have spanked my kids when they needed it. I'm not against parents busting a kids ass when they need it. I'm against cops using a Taser on a child of 10 years old and 65 pounds that is having a temper tantrum.


I don't care if he tazered the kid or not.

Hopefully I don't live in an area where medics, or police have that attitude.

[anthonyt]

If the report was false, how is the cop justified in tasering the kid?

False report implies no crime was being committed and the mom calling for the police was done under false pretenses.

Well lets see... Mom filed a false report because at the time she called there was no crime...

During his investigation however, he was battered, and took appropriate action. Now, a crime has been committed...

Perhaps we should not try to twist words to prove our point. I know you disagree, man... I get it. You'd have done things differently. I might have too. But he did what he did. AND he is NOT being punished for his actions by those who are in the position to do so, because they feel he was right.

The media got a ahold of it, because Momma wanted to get back at him, of this, I am almost sure. Well, now the animal gets her way, and the rest of us monkeys are bouncing around the pen.

Give the guy a break, NONE of us were there.

[anthonyt]

And I find that response to be very disturbing.

My wife and I have 6 kids, 4 of which are considered "special needs" kids and they do have some behavior problems before. My memory is a bit short but I have no doubt that at one time or the other, I have been kicked or hit by them when they lost control but I would NEVER think about tasering my kids or anybodies elses' kids.

So what next? Tear gas through the window when a child locks themself in their room and refuses to come out?

Yes, I have spanked my kids when they needed it. I'm not against parents busting a kids ass when they need it. I'm against cops using a Taser on a child of 10 years old and 65 pounds that is having a temper tantrum.



Hopefully I don't live in an area where medics, or police have that attitude.

Well, then I suggest you not call the cops when your kids are having an ill-tempered day. What do you want? Do you want me to just agree that this was WRONG? I won't. You've made your point. Thank you for it. Now, can we move on before you become the same thing that I have been being accused of lately?

[randal]

Well, then I suggest you not call the cops when your kids are having an ill-tempered day. What do you want? Do you want me to just agree that this was WRONG? I won't. You've made your point. Thank you for it. Now, can we move on before you become the same thing that I have been being accused of lately?

You are right Anthony, I think I was getting into the mental masturbation that I accuse other people of. My bad.

What has been done as been done and I suppose, if the justice system works around Ozark, he will cleared or prosecuted.

And whatever you have been accused of, I have likely been accused of worse. I consider myself in good company. I respect someone that doesn't back down, wheather I agree with them or not.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[anthonyt]

You are right Anthony, I think I was getting into the mental masturbation that I accuse other people of. My bad.

What has been done as been done and I suppose, if the justice system works around Ozark, he will cleared or prosecuted.

And whatever you have been accused of, I have likely been accused of worse. I consider myself in good company. I respect someone that doesn't back down, wheather I agree with them or not.

Happy Thanksgiving!

And to you and yours as well, Sir... Always a pleasure to debate with you.

[prncssmdc]

Now that everyone loves each other again....


...can someone please tell me when someone is going to hold the 10yr, regardless of her weight, responsible for her actions? She assaulted an officer, being tazed shouldn't have been where things stopped. Are there charges filed?