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StreetDoc67
07-04-2009, 12:01 AM
Most AZ high school students would fail US citizenship test
By Rhonda Bodfield
arizona daily star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 07.01.2009

You know those groan-inducing spots on late-night television when the typical person-on-the-street can't identify the vice president?

That's akin to what happened to the state's education system Tuesday, with the issuance of a new report that found only 3.5 percent of traditional public high school students would be able to pass a U.S. citizenship test— bombing out on questions such as who was America's first president, who wrote the Declaration of Independence and what do we call the first 10 amendments to the Constitution.

There's little room to be smug from the charter school or private school arenas. While they both did better, they still did poorly, with only 7 percent and 14 percent of those students passing the test, respectively, according to a survey by the Goldwater Institute, a conservative think tank.
"I was dismayed and shocked at just how poorly the kids did," said Matthew Ladner, vice president of research. "When 74 percent can't tell you that George Washington was the first president of the U.S., that's really disturbing."

The question the students did best on was really more of a geography question: 58 percent were able to name the Atlantic Ocean as the body of water on the East Coast.

The study, conducted in November 2008, asked 1,350 public high school students 10 questions pulled at random from a list of 100 on the U.S. citizenship test. A similar number of private school students were polled in a separate sample in the same period.

The standard on the citizenship test is that the applicant must be able to answer at least six of 10 questions correctly on the test, which is not multiple choice.

The results come as teachers focus less on the memorization of discrete facts, given that information is so readily available at the stroke of a key, and more on the application of knowledge.

Ladner said that philosophy "is entirely wrongheaded. It's very much like learning to compose music. You have to learn your scales before you compose a symphony — and you need some foundation of facts before you can do higher-level thinking."

But John Wright, the head of the state teachers union, the Arizona Education Association, dismissed the report as a "gotcha piece of writing."

"I think there's already an ongoing discussion of standards and assessment, but it is not informed by this kind of survey," he said, adding that for all of its shock value, he didn't find it very analytical.

Ronald Marx, the dean of the University of Arizona's College of Education, said he wasn't pleased to hear the findings but said he was more concerned than alarmed.

"You don't develop a deep understanding of how government works by knowing the name of the first 10 amendments to the Constitution," he said.
Marx said rather than have students memorize 10 facts about science, for example, the students can be asked one big question — such as how to create a sustainable environment in a water-parched desert — and learn the underlying facts in the process.

University High School student Victor Almazan, a sophomore, said there was little focus on American history last year because of an emphasis on Western civilization. Yet he describes his classmates as very engaged in the last presidential election, from having classwide discussions to the point of holding mock elections.

Still, he said, he was concerned about the findings. "If you don't know who Thomas Jefferson is, then you're not educated on other topics of social studies," the 15-year-old said.

Although the Goldwater Institute often clashes with public educators on policy issues, it's not the only one raising questions about civic education.
The Center for Education Policy, a public-school advocacy organization that has been tracking the impact of the No Child Left Behind act, found in 2007 that schools were pumping up math and reading instruction by sacrificing other disciplines. A third of the districts surveyed reported cutting social studies, prompting the National Council for the Social Studies to declare it was "increasingly alarmed" by the erosion of social studies.

And if the goal of civic education is civic participation, that has been found by other researchers — perhaps most notably by Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community" — to be on the decline.

The Goldwater report advocates requiring students to pass a citizenship exam, administered by a third party, either as a graduation requirement or to get into college.

Tucson Unified School District Governing Board member Adelita Grijalva said she was concerned about the findings, but was wary of adding civics to the already-long list of testing mandates.

TEST YOURSELF
1. What is the supreme law of the land?
Answer: The Constitution. correct 29.5 percent

2. What do we call the first 10 amendments to the Constitution?
Answer: The Bill of Rights. correct 25 percent

3. What are the two parts of the U.S. Congress?
Answer: The Senate and the House. correct 23 percent

4. How many justices are on the Supreme Court?
Answer: Nine. correct 9.4 percent

5. Who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Answer: Thomas Jefferson. correct 25.3 percent

6. What ocean is on the East Coast of the United States?
Answer: Atlantic. correct 58.8 percent

7. What are the two major political parties in the United States?
Answer: Democratic and Republican. correct 49.6 percent

8. We elect a U.S. senator for how many years?
Answer: Six. correct 14.5 percent

9. Who was the first president?
Answer: Washington. correct 26.5 percent

10. Who is in charge of the executive branch?
Answer: The president. correct 26 percent

wvditchdoc
07-04-2009, 12:16 AM
Big shock here, seriously pathetic. God knows you can't instruct them in schools, some tree-hugging parent would sue the school for picking on their kid. When in reality, all you are doing is pointing out how damn stupid they are.

scribble
07-04-2009, 12:41 AM
Hey, ya'll remember a few months back when I had the poll about what the most important subject in high school was? History received the least number of votes.

Anyways, they also say that 2/3 of high school graduates can't pass the GED.

fishy
07-04-2009, 12:48 AM
TEST YOURSELF
1. What is the supreme law of the land?
Answer: The Constitution. correct 29.5 percent
Check!

2. What do we call the first 10 amendments to the Constitution?
Answer: The Bill of Rights. correct 25 percent
Check!

3. What are the two parts of the U.S. Congress?
Answer: The Senate and the House. correct 23 percent
Check!

4. How many justices are on the Supreme Court?
Answer: Nine. correct 9.4 percent
Fail! meh...

5. Who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Answer: Thomas Jefferson. correct 25.3 percent
Check!

6. What ocean is on the East Coast of the United States?
Answer: Atlantic. correct 58.8 percent
Check!

7. What are the two major political parties in the United States?
Answer: Democratic and Republican. correct 49.6 percent
Check!

8. We elect a U.S. senator for how many years?
Answer: Six. correct 14.5 percent
Failed!

9. Who was the first president?
Answer: Washington. correct 26.5 percent
Seriously?!

10. Who is in charge of the executive branch?
Answer: The president. correct 26 percent
Check!

Now where do I get my US passport? :)
Really sad, if a Eurotard like me can do it, every high school kid should too.

randal
07-04-2009, 12:51 AM
One of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto

10. Free education for all children in public schools.

A stupid group of citizens is an easily controlled group of citizens.

fdnyemt5330
07-04-2009, 12:55 AM
One of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto

10. Free education for all children in public schools.

A stupid group of citizens is an easily controlled group of citizens.

Well, they voted in B.O., didn't they?

randal
07-04-2009, 12:59 AM
Well, they voted in B.O., didn't they?

Actually no. These were high schoolers. We can blame BO being voted in, and all the previous idiots, on people our ages who have gone through the same quaility schooling as these kids are going through.

You don't have to be young to be stupid, look at how many times Ted Kennedy has been reelected.

scribble
07-04-2009, 01:35 AM
Actually no. These were high schoolers. We can blame BO being voted in, and all the previous idiots, on people our ages who have gone through the same quaility schooling as these kids are going through.

You don't have to be young to be stupid, look at how many times Ted Kennedy has been reelected.

It starts at home. After all, the most brilliant candidate in the 2009 race was the child of a public school teacher.

randal
07-04-2009, 02:13 AM
It starts at home. After all, the most brilliant candidate in the 2009 race was the child of a public school teacher.

If you are talking about Ron Paul, I would agree. Not sure if his parents were teachers or not. Anybody else in that race was just various degrees of bad for us. A crook is a crook regardless of the amount of money he takes from your pocket.

Ron Paul was the only one that has a history of bucking the established party lines and upholding the Constitution. The rest are worthless.

fire109
07-04-2009, 09:08 AM
is anyone nervous about the future of this country?

randal
07-04-2009, 09:25 AM
is anyone nervous about the future of this country?

Too late to be nervous. Our country, as our forefathers set it up, has been gone a long time. The documents that this country were founded on are basically referenced as historical text with little value in today’s society.

There isn't a dimes worth of difference between the two major parties.

The government has become like a rabid dog that its owner has lost control over and it doesn't make any difference if the fleas on its back are Democrats or Republican.

And it is the fault of the citizens of the country. We have allowed it to happen. We have people that don’t have a clue as to what the original intent of our forefathers was. People still calls us a democracy but we are not, we are a Constitutional Republic. But nobody seems to care about the Constitutional part. As long as the sheeple can get the latest sports or reality TV show on their big screen TV, can buy the latest gadget out there and pig out on fast-food, I really think they don’t give a shit whose flag is flying over the capital or the fact that we are borrowing money from other countries to keep the government open.

I’m not nervous or worried. Our country is going to fail and we can only hope that we will build something better out of the ashes.

WEMT-I312
07-04-2009, 12:59 PM
is anyone nervous about the future of this country?

No, but then again, the Romans weren't nervous until Nero pulled that fiddle out of its case.

medic pathetic
07-05-2009, 12:10 PM
I have nothing to hide. I failed it. Do you want to shoot me, then burn me before throwing my body into international waters, or burn me a bit then shoot my leg and let me drown in international waters? Just trying to plan my day.


When I was in school the focus was far from government, but I could have passed then probably. My government teacher was no joke, more interested in one of the students off the clock. Hey, my economics teacher did my economics homework for me. And no there were no strings attached.

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin ya'll.

CombatMedic
07-05-2009, 12:56 PM
I could not answer a could of them. I had forgotten that Thomas jefferson wrote the Decleration of Independance (but John Hancock did sign his name large enough and clear enough so the king could read it without his glasses.)

And I could not remember how long the senators were in office for.

Maybe we should put a citizenship test at the social services office. A passing score gets your benefits.

fdnyemt5330
07-05-2009, 02:42 PM
Too late to be nervous. Our country, as our forefathers set it up, has been gone a long time. The documents that this country were founded on are basically referenced as historical text with little value in today’s society.

There isn't a dimes worth of difference between the two major parties.

The government has become like a rabid dog that its owner has lost control over and it doesn't make any difference if the fleas on its back are Democrats or Republican.

And it is the fault of the citizens of the country. We have allowed it to happen. We have people that don’t have a clue as to what the original intent of our forefathers was. People still calls us a democracy but we are not, we are a Constitutional Republic. But nobody seems to care about the Constitutional part. As long as the sheeple can get the latest sports or reality TV show on their big screen TV, can buy the latest gadget out there and pig out on fast-food, I really think they don’t give a shit whose flag is flying over the capital or the fact that we are borrowing money from other countries to keep the government open.

I’m not nervous or worried. Our country is going to fail and we can only hope that we will build something better out of the ashes.

Like the song goes, " if there's a new way, I'll be the first in line/ but it had better work this time"

And BTW I got a 100% on that citizenship test.

luke_31
07-05-2009, 05:36 PM
I could not answer a could of them. I had forgotten that Thomas jefferson wrote the Decleration of Independance (but John Hancock did sign his name large enough and clear enough so the king could read it without his glasses.)

And I could not remember how long the senators were in office for.

Maybe we should put a citizenship test at the social services office. A passing score gets your benefits.

I second this one :laugh:

CombatMedic
07-05-2009, 07:07 PM
I think that this says it all