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StreetDoc67
11-04-2008, 06:07 PM
Reasons Not to Vote for Barack Obama, In His Own Words
by Laura Hollis

It’s down to the wire. Is there anything left to be said? Any argument that will persuade those still waffling, or change the minds of those still inclined to vote for Obama? I think so. So I’ll offer one last observation of my own. And here it is: Obama supporters point with dewy-eyed admiration to his years as a “community organizer” as proof of his readiness to lead. What they overlook is the fact that a commitment to ideological stealth (read “deception”), a philosophy of class and race envy, a deeply-held resentment of those who have been successful, a disdain for the foundational documents of the nation, a messianic sense of personal superiority, and a willingness to attack those who disagree with you through use of the political machine -- may seem like valiance when done by a struggling underdog. But those same attitudes, inclinations and tactics take on a very different aspect when the person with them is the most powerful human being on the planet.

Now I’m going to let Obama speak for himself in this rest of this article. Despite the monolithic efforts of our Pravda press to bury, suppress, deny and cover up for Barack Obama and his anti-business, anti-life, anti-white, and anti-American sentiments, laudable efforts of the few principled journalists we have left in this country have unearthed speeches and interviews with the Anointed One that make the case against the possibility of his presidency far better than any pundit or columnist could.

So why take our word for it, when you can listen to what Barack Obama himself has said? In these last few hours before you vote, as you contemplate what you are looking for in the leader of the free world, here are just a few of Obama’s Greatest Hits for you to ponder:

The President takes an oath to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. “

But Obama says: “The Constitution is a flawed document.”

The President appoints U.S. Supreme Court justices, who serve for life once confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

But Obama’s view of the Supreme Court: “[It] never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth … It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution.”

The reason Justice is represented in America with scales and a blindfold is because judges are supposed to dispense justice without regard to who is before them.

But here’s Obama’s view of “blind” justice: “We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom, the empathy to understand what it's like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old--and that's the criterion by which I'll be selecting my judges.”

The President’s energy policy should benefit users and providers of energy.

So let’s listen to Obama’s views of energy policy: “[U]nder my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” And “If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.”

The President should extol the American promises of protection of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Here’s Obama’s view of the value of human life: “That’s above my pay grade.”

The American economic system rewarding individual initiative has created more prosperity for more people than any other system in human history. We now know that higher taxes crush new business and business growth, and reduce jobs.

Obama’s (now infamous) view of taxation? “Spread the wealth.”

And perhaps less well-known, in an interview with ABC News, anchor Charlie Gibson asked, “[I]n each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down. So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected? “

Here’s what Obama says: “Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”

And what about Obama’s view of the First Amendment? Threats of criminal libel prosecutions, Justice Department intimidation, and no promise to veto the “Fairness Doctrine” if his compatriots in Congress pass it.

The President’s most significant responsibility is the safety of the American people.

So what is Obama’s view of Iran, a country currently building nuclear reactors? “Iran … [is] tiny … [it doesn’t] pose a serious threat to us. Iran, they spend 1/100th of what we spend on the military. If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn't stand a chance.”

Last, but not least, my personal favorite. A quote not from Barack Obama, but his wife, Michelle, when asked about her husband running for President.

Michelle Obama’s views about her husband running for President? “It’s way too soon. He hasn’t done anything yet.”

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Now if we could just keep it that way.

firems4289
11-04-2008, 10:58 PM
God help us all, cuz it looks like he is going to win.

Medic101Charlie
11-04-2008, 11:06 PM
BOHICA

Grab your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye...

while you're at it, kiss your hand guns away...
kiss your Constitution goodbye...
Kiss our sons goodbye, because when he pulls us out of Iraq, we'll be dealing with Iran and Syria rather soon...

We'll see how it goes.


Jim

Medic_QT
11-04-2008, 11:11 PM
I'm scared. *Sigh*

FF/EMTP1317
11-04-2008, 11:11 PM
God help us all. Obama just won.

Biggus Dikkus
11-04-2008, 11:32 PM
God help us all. Obama just won.

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k396/bigggusdikkus/butthurt.jpg

scribble
11-04-2008, 11:35 PM
The party in charge needs to be changed every eight years. Don't take it too hard.

Biggus Dikkus
11-04-2008, 11:37 PM
The party in charge needs to be changed every eight years. Don't take it too hard.

This.:woot:

Medic101Charlie
11-04-2008, 11:38 PM
Now that is over...

The American People have spoken...without guns, without coup-de-tauts, and without subversion.

It is not the choice I would have made, but the number of Electoral Votes earned clearly speak toward the mandate of the change that Obama stands for.

Whatever my personal feelings on the man are, he is the Commander-In-Chief and MY President now.

As a patriot, I do not support a despot, Ubar or a dictator. I support, stand for, would bleed and die for, the Nation, the United States of America.

As a patriot I would stand for him the way I would stand for any other Commander-in-Chief.

God Bless Obama...

God Bless America...

Jim

SARPUP
11-05-2008, 12:13 AM
Now that is over...

The American People have spoken...without guns, without coup-de-tauts, and without subversion.

It is not the choice I would have made, but the number of Electoral Votes earned clearly speak toward the mandate of the change that Obama stands for.

Whatever my personal feelings on the man are, he is the Commander-In-Chief and MY President now.

As a patriot, I do not support a despot, Ubar or a dictator. I support, stand for, would bleed and die for, the Nation, the United States of America.

As a patriot I would stand for him the way I would stand for any other Commander-in-Chief.

God Bless Obama...

God Bless America...

Jim

AMEN!!! Very well said Jim. And like they told us in the military we don't have to like it we just have to deal with it. Well he's the new President and I hope he does us right and we need to give him our support. Until he fucks up and then....... uuummm I digress (LOL!!) Ok Mr. President you now have the con don't run us aground!!

StreetDoc67
11-05-2008, 12:19 AM
Now that is over...

The American People have spoken...without guns, without coup-de-tauts, and without subversion.

It is not the choice I would have made, but the number of Electoral Votes earned clearly speak toward the mandate of the change that Obama stands for.

Whatever my personal feelings on the man are, he is the Commander-In-Chief and MY President now.

As a patriot, I do not support a despot, Ubar or a dictator. I support, stand for, would bleed and die for, the Nation, the United States of America.

As a patriot I would stand for him the way I would stand for any other Commander-in-Chief.

God Bless Obama...

God Bless America...

Jim

Well Jim, you must be a better man than I. You see, I just can find it within myself to mirror your ability to get behind the future president of these United States, and the reason is simple. As you stated above, "I support, stand for, would bleed and die for, the Nation, the United States of America." But I have trouble supporting a man and party that not only disagrees with that sentiment but also almost takes glee in ridiculing it.

As a result, I'll continue to pledge my allegiance to the United States of America while holding off on rallying around those in power that I feel are seeking to strip away the very essence of what made this country what it is. I hold off because I am always willing to concede that I may be wrong about Obama. Maybe he will bring the nation together and heal all that is ill. If he does I will be the first one on these threads to order up a big plate of crow. But until proven otherwise I will look towards past actions as the best predictor of the future, and that will have me looking forward with a trepidation that I have never felt before.

As I've said before in another thread, I just hope I'm wrong.

StreetDoc67
11-05-2008, 12:29 AM
well he's the new president and i hope he does us right and we need to give him our support. Until he fucks up and then....... Uuummm i digress (lol!!) ok mr. President you now have the con don't run us aground!!

rotflmao!!!!

Medic101Charlie
11-05-2008, 12:30 AM
AMEN!!! Very well said Jim. And like they told us in the military we don't have to like it we just have to deal with it. Well he's the new President and I hope he does us right and we need to give him our support. Until he fucks up and then....... uuummm I digress (LOL!!) Ok Mr. President you now have the con don't run us aground!!

I must be moved by this.

I grew up in a racist household and was brought up in a neighborhood that was very racist....it bubbled just below the surface.

I cannot help but be moved by the fact that this seems to be the turning point for us to be "post-race"....

I hope he can bring us together and do all the things he says he can.

I hope he can bring our troops home with victory and honor, that he can secure our homeland and keep the pressure on the terrorists. I do agree that OIF may not have been the next best move for GWOT, but once we crossed the LD, it was the war we had and the war that he had to win. Now that we can see victory and internal security in our sites, I hope he can bring the troops home in a logical way that will ensure we're not back there next year, bleeding even more.

I hope that he protects our Constitutionally protected rights: our rights to free speech, to bear arms and the right to due process.

I also hope that the impact to our economy is minimal. I do still believe that his economic plan is built on political theory and not on reality and all we have to do is ask the Soviets how well politics and idealogues control the economy.

Most of all I pray for him because like it or not, ready or not, he is the President Elect of the United States. He will bear the weight on his shoulders.

Now that the campaign is over we will see what he is made of. We will see his beliefs and we will see his true ideals. I just hope that 65% of America was not wrong.


Jim

scribble
11-05-2008, 12:45 AM
Ok, question for discussion:

What's next for John McCain? Suppossedly Obama hinted at appointing him to something. Think it's gonna happen? If so, what job?

StreetDoc67
11-05-2008, 12:47 AM
Ok, question for discussion:

What's next for John McCain? Suppossedly Obama hinted at appointing him to something. Think it's gonna happen? If so, what job?

Well, I hear someone's gonna need to clean up Grant Park tomorrow . . .

Or he could pick up where Dole left off and become Viagra's new spokesman.

But seriously, he'll probably just go back to the Senate. I don't see Obama bringing him in.

WTFOVER
11-05-2008, 01:03 AM
Hope in one hand, you-know-what in another. You know the rest. There are dark times ahead of us. Racially motivated or not, the man should not be president. I would have voted for Hillary before I voted for Obama. Hell, I think I would have voted for Jessie Jackson before I voted for Obama. At least I know where he stands. The plain truth of it is, Obama has NO experience what so ever in leading a branch of government, be it a mayor, governor, hell, not even a pack of cub scouts. And now he's president? Yes, maybe it is time for the GOP to give way for the Democrats. And, yes, I know all too well the fact that I am supposed to support my Commander-in-Chief. But you have no business leading the country when you have no practical experience. Case in point, would you want a medic working on you that all he/she had was class time and no clinical experience? Said it once, I'll say it again, there are dark times ahead of us.

Peacheywoo
11-05-2008, 04:36 AM
So as one of the Brits on the board and one who has for the most part taken not much notice of the election over there (don't be offended - I try and ignore elections over here too) I have a question.......just how much of the voting was racially motivated in your opinion............

My perception is that there seems to have a been a lot of 'blind' voting - he's black, I'm black therefore he gets my vote...How much has track record and experience actually impacted on the voting.

I'm interested to get your thoughts on it.

shfd739fm
11-05-2008, 05:19 AM
So as one of the Brits on the board and one who has for the most part taken not much notice of the election over there (don't be offended - I try and ignore elections over here too) I have a question.......just how much of the voting was racially motivated in your opinion............

My perception is that there seems to have a been a lot of 'blind' voting - he's black, I'm black therefore he gets my vote...How much has track record and experience actually impacted on the voting.

I'm interested to get your thoughts on it.

From what Ive seen and heard there was probably a large amount of blind voting. There have been some on the street type interviews with voters where they were told Obama's and McCain's proposed policies and views. These people repeatedly picked and favored McCain's policies, but when asked who they were voting for said Obama.

Most of the reasons were due to skin color. It appears alot of people bought into his youth and "change" BS. Frankly Im scared of what will happen to the country if he follows through with his ideas and proposed policy.

FWIW I dont know everyone's religious beliefs but Ive seen some discussion comparing Revelations and end of times prophecies with Obama's proposed ideas and beliefs. Alot of it matches up and is rather concerning and scary.

PSYCtest040
11-05-2008, 05:35 AM
Most of the reasons were due to skin color. It appears alot of people bought into his youth and "change" BS. Frankly Im scared of what will happen to the country if he follows through with his ideas and proposed policy.

Democratic president, democratic congress, there is no if about it.

traffic_disaster
11-05-2008, 06:59 AM
God Help Canada now that the US in its wisdom picked Obama.
God Help us he doesnt feck us up royally like he has planned.
God help the world

I hope that this doesnt destroy all the freedoms and liberties and trade as we know it.

screaming pizza
11-05-2008, 08:16 AM
The people have spoken, so whatever. Personally, I voted McCain/Palin, but that's freedom for you. I don't give a shit what color the man is, I just want to make sure that he does half as good a job as he claimed he will do, I am depending on him to make the country a good place for my daughter to live in. One thing I wonder about, though: we keep reading about his record donations received, what, $653,000,000 or something? That money wasn't given to him him just because he's a nice guy. It'll be interesting to see how well he returns those favors and to which groups he takes care of.

scribble
11-05-2008, 10:40 AM
So as one of the Brits on the board and one who has for the most part taken not much notice of the election over there (don't be offended - I try and ignore elections over here too) I have a question.......just how much of the voting was racially motivated in your opinion............

My perception is that there seems to have a been a lot of 'blind' voting - he's black, I'm black therefore he gets my vote...How much has track record and experience actually impacted on the voting.

I'm interested to get your thoughts on it.

Ok, as a resident of Chicago, who spends a fair amount of time on the south side, I don't feel that black voters in Chicago voted blindly (well, not most of them, anyways). He'd been an Illinois State Senator since '97, representing a black, south-side district. I'm pretty sure voters in his district have a feel for how he operates and seem satisfied enough with it to support him. He could easily have run and won in a different district with different demographics. Also consider his work history before he entered politics: Community organizer and civil rights attorney.

Ok, now I gotta jump in the shower and go to con ed so my EMT card dosen't get suspended.

scribble
11-05-2008, 11:30 AM
FWIW I dont know everyone's religious beliefs but Ive seen some discussion comparing Revelations and end of times prophecies with Obama's proposed ideas and beliefs. Alot of it matches up and is rather concerning and scary.

Uh, do you have chapter and verse on that or is it like "In the second Millenium, the Villiage Idiot will take the throne in the place with the most power" that's been attributed to Nostradamus?

FF/EMTP1317
11-05-2008, 11:41 AM
I think a lot of Obama supporters were racially moivated. The station where I work at part time is predominately black. Not that I care one bit, I'm just stating facts. As soon as I said I was voting McCain/Palin they jumped down my throat saying I was making it all about race and that was wrong. In the next breath one of the guys has his myspace header saying "Yes I'm voting for Obama just because he's black."

Peacheywoo
11-05-2008, 12:01 PM
Its been interesting on the radio over here - many interviews with people both Brit and Yank getting their comments - they have for the most part been saying its the dawn of anew era, gone are the days when the black man can't vote. Whether Obama wanted it or not...the perception over here is that this was a vote based on race and little else.

Personally I don't give a monkeys what colour/religion/sexual identity the guy is - as long as he does a good job. Our lives have been inextricably linked with those of America and I have a feeling his policies will impact on us as well

prncssmdc
11-05-2008, 12:50 PM
So, this morning I had to do two things.

1. Calm my son (8) down before he started crying. All because he is afraid that Obama is going to raise taxes so high that it will affect our family. How or why the boy knows or even cares about taxes is beyond me (Lord knows his father and stepmother are Obama supporters), but I think perhaps I should foster his interest in this.

2. Explain to my daughter (11) that I didn't care if Obama was black...hell, he could be purple for all I care, I just don't agree with his political views. She honestly believed I voted for McCain because he was white. Which after just a little contemplation I need to review why my 11yo daughter feels that I don't like blacks.

Ultimately, I can't change what just occured last night. I don't agree with much of anything that Obama stands for. What I can change is that in my community we seem to have an out-of-control, boarderline corrupt school board. They have just raised my property tax levy by 6.09%, for apparently no good reason. SO, I will start in my community. Make a difference here and watch with amusement (and empty pockets from all of the hand-outs I will be giving) the next 4 years unfold.

CornholioMedic
11-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Its been interesting on the radio over here - many interviews with people both Brit and Yank getting their comments - they have for the most part been saying its the dawn of anew era, gone are the days when the black man can't vote. Whether Obama wanted it or not...the perception over here is that this was a vote based on race and little else.

Personally I don't give a monkeys what colour/religion/sexual identity the guy is - as long as he does a good job. Our lives have been inextricably linked with those of America and I have a feeling his policies will impact on us as well

I did vote for him and as long as he does a good job, who gives a rats ass about what race or color he is.

I do have to say that I was DEEPLY disturbed with what transpired in Detroit just after it was announced that Obama won.

People took to the streets firing guns in the air, grown men standing in the middle of the streets waving their dicks at passing cars and people jumping up and down on the roofs of city buses and cars.

I'm pretty damn well certain that this was NOT part of Obama's message that just because he's a man of color and multi-racial, that it's ok for people to take to the streets and act ghettofabulous.

That said and having people in my family that are black or multi-racial, I have no issue with having him for president. He won fair and square and I hope that he does bring this nation back together again.

Medic101Charlie
11-05-2008, 01:13 PM
I think a lot of Obama supporters were racially moivated. The station where I work at part time is predominately black. Not that I care one bit, I'm just stating facts. As soon as I said I was voting McCain/Palin they jumped down my throat saying I was making it all about race and that was wrong. In the next breath one of the guys has his myspace header saying "Yes I'm voting for Obama just because he's black."

I think it was more about what HAD happened than with Obama, personally.

It was a perfect storm with eight years of Bush, the War in Iraq, the falling economy...and the Conservative Republicans getting the vote. It was more a mandate for change than a mandate for Barack. And Unfortunately McCain is too closely tied with those that are in power and took the blame for the majority of our woes.

Without the economy I don't think he would have won.

Jim

screaming pizza
11-05-2008, 03:54 PM
I think it was more about what HAD happened than with Obama, personally.

It was a perfect storm with eight years of Bush, the War in Iraq, the falling economy...and the Conservative Republicans getting the vote. It was more a mandate for change than a mandate for Barack. And Unfortunately McCain is too closely tied with those that are in power and took the blame for the majority of our woes.

Without the economy I don't think he would have won.

Jim

Concur. I think it's not so much that Obama won, as much as that McCain just really really really lost.




(Makes sense if you think about it)

sweet_melinda
11-05-2008, 06:25 PM
precisely